Re: 2018 8 Weight Rod Shootout Published

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Posted by Joel n Rosenthal on 2018-01-04 16:39:03 in reply to Re: 2018 8 Weight Rod Shootout Published posted by Carl Blackledge on 2018-01-04 12:55:57

To quote Carl's post above:"So therefore who really cares what somebody else thinks of a rod."
It seems, however, Carl that you care what other people think of your opinion of rods-as for example your post :
Re: Abel fly rod info?
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Posted by Carl Blackledge on 2017-09-16 17:29:24 in reply to Abel fly rod info? posted by Richard E on 2017-09-16 11:52:28

I love all the Abel products except there[sic] rods. I have had several Abel rods and sold them and bought Sage rods. Abel rods were just broom sticks with a reel seat....My 2 cents

Shall we assume that your earlier post, and implicit endorsement of Sage rods, is the same "farce" and "b.s." you ascribe to the Shootout comparisons you condemn now?

And do you ignore the posts others here make about rods they've used, and whether they're good, bad or whatever? I 'd venture that most everyone who has a fly rod who posts here has an opinion of their equipment-and for better or worse, posts about it. But no one, least of all the Shootout authors, are telling you which one you must or should buy.So you can knock down your straw man all you want, but I would think anyone considering any of the rods listed might be interested to read what's written and make their own judgment of both the objective and subjective aspects of the Shootout, rather than simply dismiss it out of hand because they're selling "now even leaders".(Newsflash Carl--read the copy-they've been selling them for 20 years).
The point you and Bob Laskodi seem to miss, and which others have noted, and which I stressed in my post, and if you were to actually read it, which the Shootout stresses, is that the Shootout is but one tool with which to help make an INFORMED choice. And the information you get is both objective and useful ,as Bob McCollum notes in his thoughtful and critical post here, as well as subjective(ie casters' impressions, casting feel and accuracy etc).All of which any rod purchaser can take into consideration giving such weight to each aspect as he/she deems appropriate.

Bob McCollum has a good point in that the specific purpose he might use an 8 wt for is not addressed(stripers with sinking(?) lines). I am sure the reason for that is simple--I suspect the overwhelming majority of sales of 8wts are to anglers who will be fishing for bones/reds/permit etc where accuracy in sight casting applications , as well as stealth, are important components. (I cannot imagine that the number of anglers who travel to or live on the west coast or elsewhere who fish for stripers comes anywhere close to the thousands who live and fish in in the southeastern US or who visit the Bahamas, the Caribbean and Pacific tropical locales to fish for bones etc-hence the tests are geared to the anglers for whom the rods are primarily marketed.) But for Mccollum's angling purposes, the Shootout's omission of this metric is critical-no argument there.His further point about the tests not accounting for the effects of water loading and fluid dynamics, is, I suspect a good one, although testing there may vary, for all I know, when different lines with different textures/materials are used.

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